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Unread 10-17-2009, 12:56 PM   #26
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Although I don't know the full story from the sound of it, these tests are not done in any standard or scientific manner. Pushing on the car and looking is not sufficient IMO. Even if you've been doing something for a long time, you can still **** up. I mean we've all been walking for many many years yet we will trip and fall some times. Experience is not an excuse for improper data gathering.

Like cops that have been on the force for a long time can't pull people over w/o a radar gun and just say oh i've been doing this for a long time I know you were speeding. That shit won't fly in court and I don't see how recon inspectors can get away with that either. Like anything you need to show proof of (in)compliance.

Being able to show them hey look your car only has 1" of travel and it is required to have 2", here is how you should go about testing this yourself so you can check for compliance before returning. That is how the recon should be run not by some guy looking at your car and saying "nope".
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Unread 10-17-2009, 01:51 PM   #27
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Although I don't know the full story from the sound of it, these tests are not done in any standard or scientific manner. Pushing on the car and looking is not sufficient IMO. Even if you've been doing something for a long time, you can still **** up. I mean we've all been walking for many many years yet we will trip and fall some times. Experience is not an excuse for improper data gathering.

Like cops that have been on the force for a long time can't pull people over w/o a radar gun and just say oh i've been doing this for a long time I know you were speeding. That shit won't fly in court and I don't see how recon inspectors can get away with that either. Like anything you need to show proof of (in)compliance.

Being able to show them hey look your car only has 1" of travel and it is required to have 2", here is how you should go about testing this yourself so you can check for compliance before returning. That is how the recon should be run not by some guy looking at your car and saying "nope".
I agree with what you are saying but it's a two way street. If they actually measure the 2 inches, I bet a lot more people would fail. If what someone else said earlier was true, and they only test the initial resistance in the suspension, then it's probably easier to pass. Doesn't change the fact that it's a flawed system but maybe that's better in some way.

The whole recon thing is just pointless. No matter what laws you pass, people will break them, there will still be idiots, and more than likely, the people who know what they are doing will suffer.
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Unread 10-17-2009, 04:04 PM   #28
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I agree with what you are saying but it's a two way street. If they actually measure the 2 inches, I bet a lot more people would fail. If what someone else said earlier was true, and they only test the initial resistance in the suspension, then it's probably easier to pass. Doesn't change the fact that it's a flawed system but maybe that's better in some way.

The whole recon thing is just pointless. No matter what laws you pass, people will break them, there will still be idiots, and more than likely, the people who know what they are doing will suffer.
It's not a matter of more or less people passing it's a matter of consistency and following the law and showing proof of compliance or noncompliance. If your car doesn't pass recon, it shouldn't pass regardless of what mood the inspector is in.
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Unread 10-18-2009, 06:45 AM   #29
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Recon? wats dat!!!
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Unread 10-18-2009, 10:29 AM   #30
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dont think my old rx7, father's corvette & camaro (all with stock suspension) would show 2" of travel being pushed down like that.

Some idiot with chopped springs & stock blown struts is a lot more dangerous on the road than someone with a sport/race spring/strut setup or coilovers.

but that's just my .02
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Unread 10-18-2009, 11:15 AM   #31
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Recon? wats dat!!!
dunno.

i jes' runumhard on the way back from tracks with the slicks, uncapped, and one headlight. cheehoo style, kreen pottles!
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Unread 10-18-2009, 10:20 PM   #32
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Recon? wats dat!!!
I dunno??? Must be some new fangled law or something... lol
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Unread 10-21-2009, 07:24 PM   #33
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oh yeah? rofl
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Unread 10-22-2009, 12:15 AM   #34
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Unread 10-22-2009, 07:56 PM   #35
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I believe the current recon Inspectors have all worked there over twenty years each and know how to inspect vehicles pursuant to the HAR 19-134. the rule states reconstructed vehicles need to have 2 inches of suspension travel (compression) ...so if the inspector pushes down (with minimal effort) on the front or rear of any vehicle and the side wall of the tire displays the only movement...then the tire becomes the suspension...cumon guys...most people use "coil overs" to solve this dilema. granted there are some models that cant comply ...like an MRX...these guys inspect (at least 12 vehicles a day) and have seen most scenarios...30 minutes are given for each inspection, most dont take that long (dependeing on whats going on in the office) but there are many variables...people not showing up on time, people not able to complete the application in a timely maner, some wierd / one off mod/ no money , no drivers license...on and on and on.

there are no "gray areas" in those admain rules...its black and white..its not left to the Gen publics interpretaion...that responsibility belongs to the DOT...remember recon (AKA: Motor Vehicle Control) is merely contracted by the state to inforce the rule (they are employed by C&C Honolulu/not the State)...and recon is a very small part of there overall responsibilty...dont bang on the brothers for doing there thing...you can always call there for advice. ..they are always willing to help
Hey Lois,
So cars with coilover suspension can pass recon if they are not deemed to stiff? I have coilovers in my car also and I am trying to go for recon soon. I am guessing that the softest setting would be best but I am nervous that they will push down and just say no.
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Unread 10-22-2009, 08:45 PM   #36
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coilovers have been okay for quite some time now--as it says, you need suspension play though.
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Unread 10-23-2009, 10:23 AM   #37
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Okay thank you.
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Unread 10-23-2009, 12:21 PM   #38
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coilovers have been okay for quite some time now--as it says, you need suspension play though.
adjustable, non-adjustable, or both?
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Unread 11-06-2009, 02:36 PM   #39
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2nd attempt. failed again. I give up.
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Unread 11-06-2009, 05:34 PM   #40
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when did you go?
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Unread 11-06-2009, 06:37 PM   #41
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Today, after lunch...
Oh well, $125 went down the drain (alignment/recon fee), but at least I tried my best to comply.
The person I talked to was very nice, though.

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Not all cars have the same spring rates...not all cars weigh the same...all cars have more than enough travel if you've done your suspension right...jack up your car at each corner if your suspension gives 2" at the opposite corner your good to go. This is using no more than the weight of the car. Who could argue with that...however if your car is too low chances are you'll bottom out on the bump stop...in which case your car shouldn't be on the road.
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it's raining. :r eally:
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LOL. Yes it is. And Duh has a good point.
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So how strict is this? I have my recon appt on wednesday afternoon and I'm driving an 08 cobalt on eibach springs. pretty stiff unless you really push on it. If I'm able to show an actual 2 inches of travel regardless of how hard I had to push down would that be sufficient? I'm new to this whole car modding thing so I'm prolly gonna have a million questions for you guys...sorry ahead of time :P
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One more question...I saw the thing about needing amber reflectors in the front markers...my headlights came stock without amber reflectors and only has a yellow bulb with silver reflectors...am I in trouble?
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One more question...I saw the thing about needing amber reflectors in the front markers...my headlights came stock without amber reflectors and only has a yellow bulb with silver reflectors...am I in trouble?
That is more of a safety check issue. Just in case you fail safety inspec./recon, you can provide pictures of other stock Cobalts with those same head lights and write a letter("legal" document) saying this is a stock vehicle item and have it signed by a certified GM mechanic or GM dealer. It would help to have it notarized.

My brother got pulled over for no mud flaps on his stock 99 Dodge Ram 2500. My argument for him was that these vehicles did NOT come stock with rear mud flaps and no such modification is needed for a stock vehicle with stock tires and rims. Kinda the same for you...
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Unread 07-07-2010, 01:09 PM   #48
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hmmm....that sux that you gotta go thru so much hassle cuz the laws for our roadways are so fricken ridiculous. They have all of these rules out for 'safety reasons' but personally I find it unsafe for the roads to be full of potholes like they are, and then when they 'fill' the pothole you now have a speed bump, then a pothole again a week later. Our local government is seriously ass backwards in how they run this place...
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Don't get me started on that one...ugh.
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