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Unread 07-30-2013, 11:39 AM   #1
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Putting out a feeler to see if anyone is interested in a VTA (vintage trans am) classs. There are rules in place for this class at us vintage trans am web page. It is meant to be a fun class using your old cars that are sitting around collecting dust. There are also some very inexpensive cars out ther that are perfect for this class.

Here is what I propose, using the vta rules as a guideline I suggest we follow as many of those rules as we can. For example, the esc rule. We all have esc's sitting around that we don't use any longer, so we could use those. To avoid people claimming that someone is using boost or esc timing. We could make the class a breakout class where there ia a minimum lap time and if someone goes below that time the lap is not counted. This eliminates boost and timing as the faster guys will have to de tune their motors, or turn down the epa's on the transmitter. I'm thinking somewhere in the 15 second range. ...maybe even 16 seconds. I think our biggest problem bringing in new racers is the intimidation of the speed of the cars. Lets have a nice slow and evenly powered class and bring in the fun factor for people interested in joining us.

Setting a minimum lap time wouldnt be too hard, and being a class that promotes fun over serious competition will hopefully bring new racers in.
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Sounds like fun. I still have my TA that we use to race at Dave's parking lot back in OCS days sporting a silver can and HPI TA Wheels and tires.

Now this is a class I can do without spending any money on. As long as I can run my silver can motor.

Lets go TA racing gang.
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Is there an interest in VTA?
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Is there an interest in VTA?
Yes, there are 3 or 4 at the moment but would like to get more.
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Here are the proposed rules.......


Trans Am Class Rules and Specifications



Body Specifications:
Late '60s to early '70s American pony car Vintage Trans-Am bodies only.


Bolink part numbers:
BL2262 '68 Chevrolet Camaro
Also known as RJ Speed Part # BOL2262

BL2263 '65 Ford Mustang
Also known as RJ Speed Part # BOL2263


HPI part numbers:
17510 - 1970 Plymouth AAR 'Cuda
7494 - 1968 Chevrolet Camaro
17531 - 1969 CHEVROLET CAMARO Z28
17508 - 1965 Ford Shelby GT-350
17519 - 1966 Ford Mustang GT
104926 - 1966 FORD MUSTANG GT COUPE BODY
For the HPI Mustangs which are not provided with a spoiler:
A lexan spoiler of 16mm total height from trunk deck, and overall chord of 20mm is allowable. All other bodies must use the spoiler included with that specific body set as intended. Built in spoilers may not be enhanced. 17546 - 1970 Ford Mustang Boss 302 (scale wing ok)
105106 - 1970 DODGE CHALLENGER BODY


Parma part numbers:
10143 - 1969 Z28 Camaro
10141 - 1970 Boss Mustang
10113 - 1970 'Cuda

Pegasus Hobbies part numbers:
PGH4001 - 1970 Camaro SS
PGH4002 - 1970 'Cuda
PGH4003 - 1970 Mustang

Protoform part numbers:
#1526 - J71

McAllister Racing part numbers:
#286- 1969 Mustang body
#295- 1970 Pontiac Firebird Trans Am VTA body- 1/10- 200mm


Body provided deck lid spoilers allowed (not wings). No additional skirts or raised/extended wings or air control surfaces allowed. Body must be trimmed at body trim lines. Front spoiler may be extended into body to provide durability. Full rear bumper required. It is highly preferred that bodies are detailed in race type livery in period-correct paint schemes. Fluorescent colors, wild graphics, chromes and non-period correct paint schemes are frowned upon. All cars must have a number on the hood, both doors and trunk lid. Wheel covers of any type are NOT allowed.
All cars must include a driver figure consisting of at least a head and shoulders.

Driver Figure part numbers (ANY suitable 1/10 driver figure is legal-these are readily available examples)

HPI
#104815 INNER BODY SET FOR DT-1 TRUCK BODY

Associated
6180 Driver, unpainted, 1:10

McAllister
#423 Stock Interior and Driver
#419 SPRINT CAR DRIVER



Tire & Wheel Specifications:
The only tires allowed are HPI tire part #4793 "front" and #4797 "rear", using stock tire inserts provided with tire and any HPI Vintage wheels designed to fit these tires. All other tires and/or part numbers are illegal. Wheels and tires designated as "front" must be used as front tires/wheels, "rear" wheels/tires must used as rears. Five or Eight spoke wheels available in various colors. 0mm offset front wheels and 6mm offset rear wheels are intended for 26mm width fronts and 31mm width rear tires. 8-spoke Vintage wheels from #3805 through #3814, 5-spoke Vintage wheels from #3815 through #3822 and Vintage stock car wheels from #3854 through #3860, Vintage Wheel CC Type #33472 and #33473, Vintage Wheel DTP Type #33474 and #33475 are all legal wheels.

Grinding of tire tread is NOT permitted. Sanding of mold seam to remove seam is allowed. HPI Vintage Slicks and HPI Vintage Performance Tires are not allowed. Tire traction compounds are at the discretion of the track. No other altering, changing or softening of the tire is allowed. Tires may not be belted or changed to prevent "ballooning". All decisions of the race promoter or track owner are final. No "double stuffing" of foam inserts allowed—only single stock vintage tire inserts are allowed.


Chassis Specification:
Four Wheel Drive touring car chassis only. Any era or brand 4wd chassis is allowed. An Excel spreadsheet gear ratio and final drive ratio calculator for most touring car chassis is available here.


Motor Specifications:

I order to keep cost down any silver can 540, 25.5/21.5 brushless motor is allowed. ZERO modifications to any part of the motor... no tuning rotors.... you wont need them.

All decisions of the race promoter or track owner are final.

Approved ESCs:
Any ESC will be allowed as long as it is in "blinky" mode or is unable to add timing or boost. ZERO Timing Zero Boost.



Battery Specifications:
Battery Specifications: 2 cell LiPo hard cased


Ride Height Specification:
Minimum ride height is 5mm.


Weight Specification:
Minimum 1550g in race-ready trim


Race Specification:
- 5 minute qualifiers
- 8 minute mains
- There will be a BREAKOUT lap time. If you run a lap under the Breakout lap time that lap will not be counted.
- Absolutely NO IFMAR-type starts. All heats and mains should be straight-up starts, with random sorts for each heat. Non random sorts should shuffle starting order for each heat.


Optional Main Variations:
- 12-20 car A-mains, depending on car counts.
- Invert qualifying order based on random hat pull (top 6-10 cars).
- "LeMans" type starts where all cars are lined up on an angle to the racing line in order.
- Run track in reverse rotation for mains.
- Rolling starts




MOST IMPORTANTLY: If it's not in the rules, and does not encompass the spirit of slower, controlled racing with realistic looking cars, consider it illegal. This is called the "Spirit of VTA" Rule. The class is based on slower, equal playing field competition with less traction, minimal aerodynamic aids and mostly older carpet racing technology. The final objective is close, fair, wheel-to-wheel racing for all.


All decisions of the race promoter or track owner are final.
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Looks good for rules. Some of the optional variations may not be doable due to the software and hardware we are using.
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Well, if VTA gets started and I get into it, I have found a car to get. Its the TC4 club racer for around $150. And I think it comes prebuilt. I suppose there's still parts for it. I wonder if Serpent shocks will fit on it?
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Well, if VTA gets started and I get into it, I have found a car to get. Its the TC4 club racer for around $150. And I think it comes prebuilt. I suppose there's still parts for it. I wonder if Serpent shocks will fit on it?

The TC4 is a car that is perfect for VTA.
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Danny has had his car on the track already and mine should be done after we get back from IIC. Right now the "breakout" time looks to be in the 15 second range, that seems to be a nice speed. Even Keven Hebert's girlfriend took a few laps with it and she had never driven a rc car before.
I think that once we get some cars out on the track interest will pick up. So get your car ready and bring it out!
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Danny has had his car on the track already and mine should be done after we get back from IIC. Right now the "breakout" time looks to be in the 15 second range, that seems to be a nice speed. Even Keven Hebert's girlfriend took a few laps with it and she had never driven a rc car before.
I think that once we get some cars out on the track interest will pick up. So get your car ready and bring it out!
Cool. I'll get mines ready for when you all get back from IIC. I need to recover from my daughter's graduation party first.
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If anyone is interested in running the VTA class, there are a few of the guys preparing cars for the next season. It looks as though there will be 7 or 8 cars ready to hit the track soon. Things are brewing and people are getting excited about this class! ...... here's some inspiration for you to get those nostalgic juices flowing.......

Schedule for Historic Trans Am


I'm looking forward to running my Spec R S1 in this class..... I'm curious to see how the fiberglass chassis will hold up to the banking...... either way it will be FUN.....

Right now for those of you that will be running silvercan and 21.5 motors the "breakout" lap time looks to be in the 15.5 second range (all depending if the scoring software is able to have fractions of seconds entered as minimum lap times) If we are unable to use fractions of seconds we will go to the higher lap time, which in this case will be 16 seconds.
As we run through the season we may adjust the minimum lap time accordingly. The main point is to have as even/level a class as we can.
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