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Unread 05-19-2007, 10:28 AM   #1
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Default Noobie drfiter need help

Hello there drifters...

I know that this is a question that people ask all the time but I'm wondering how to drift a front wheel drive perfectly without having to pull the ebrakes........................I know that according to the other posts people say that drifting with a front wheel drive car requires the e brakes but I want to do it without the e brakes and so I'm wondering if there is a technique to drift without the ebrakes on front wheel drive cars.

Anyways I drive a 2001 eclipse gt and I want to drift need help?
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Unread 05-19-2007, 10:32 AM   #2
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sorry can't help you there, but...hi and have fun.
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Unread 05-19-2007, 10:37 AM   #3
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Dude, if you wanna know about drifting, then you need to contact Kyle Arai, one of our best FWD drifters.

But first, are you from around here? If you are, then no probs...I'm not sure if Kyle jumps on the computer much, but he's the man to talk to.

I'm moving this to the proper section, but thanks for joining HT, and I'm sure there's someone that can help you out...

Momentum drifting in a FWD...maybe Kyle does it, I dunno?
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Unread 05-19-2007, 11:03 AM   #4
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You will need lots of power, lots of steering angle (more than rwd), and less grip on the back, you will also need a fully customizable suspenion, in order to make the rear end break more (ability to fine tune toe in/out) keep in mind, that a fwd drift car, made to drift, will not be much use for everyday use, just drifting.

and keep in mind, that even professional rwd drifters use the e-brake. alot.
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Unread 05-19-2007, 08:07 PM   #5
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Dude, if you wanna know about drifting, then you need to contact Kyle Arai, one of our best FWD drifters.

But first, are you from around here? If you are, then no probs...I'm not sure if Kyle jumps on the computer much, but he's the man to talk to.

I'm moving this to the proper section, but thanks for joining HT, and I'm sure there's someone that can help you out...

Momentum drifting in a FWD...maybe Kyle does it, I dunno?

I see so I should contact Kyle Arai? Well how do I contact him and also I don't just want my car to be a drifter car I want to be able to use my car everyday. The reason that I don't want to use the e brakes is because I just don't want to snap the e brakes......nor snap my axels..because I have a friend who tried to drift with a front wheel car and ended up snaping more like braking his front axels.
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Unread 05-19-2007, 09:16 PM   #6
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I see so I should contact Kyle Arai? Well how do I contact him and also I don't just want my car to be a drifter car I want to be able to use my car everyday. The reason that I don't want to use the e brakes is because I just don't want to snap the e brakes......nor snap my axels..because I have a friend who tried to drift with a front wheel car and ended up snaping more like braking his front axels.
Drifting is expensive. expect to use a lot of tires, go through body parts, and have spares of things like axles, and brake pads; and it would probably be a good idea to get an LSD, even if the car is FWD. it's hard to drift w/ only 1 wheel pulling the car around.

even the pro's use their ebrakes a lot for their rwd rides. usually it's to help adjust, and fine tune.

problem w/ suspension for fwd, you have to adjust the toe in, to make the rear end brake easier, this will usually result in less high speed highway stability, not to mention increase tire wear from camber angles.

I would just buy a cheap rwd car.
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Unread 05-20-2007, 11:12 PM   #7
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it's possible to initiate a drift without the ebrake for FWD car. but it's physically impossible to hold it for a period of time without the ebrake. it's just physics. it's not going to work. if you're really serious about drifting, get a cheap RWD car you can have fun with. if not, just know that you will be causing a lot of wear and tear on your eclipse.

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I see so I should contact Kyle Arai? Well how do I contact him and also I don't just want my car to be a drifter car I want to be able to use my car everyday. The reason that I don't want to use the e brakes is because I just don't want to snap the e brakes......nor snap my axels..because I have a friend who tried to drift with a front wheel car and ended up snaping more like braking his front axels.
just remember, with any type of racing comes abuse to your car. it stresses the motor, the axels, the drivetrain, steering links, tires, brakes, etc. you have to figure out if your willing the sacrifice the life of your car/parts for a little fun.

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Unread 05-21-2007, 08:06 PM   #8
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I see I know ti would strain my eclipse a lot because I have done a little bit of drifting sing this post and I notice that the car's handling has changed a little bit. maybe I should just get a cheap rwd car...hahah...but I really want to be good at fwd drifting because people always talk so bad about it I want to test it for myself
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Unread 05-21-2007, 10:43 PM   #9
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go for it. just be safe/smart about it. it'll show you the limits of your car and what is possible. the best way to learn is first hand.
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Unread 05-22-2007, 06:38 AM   #10
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go for it. just be safe/smart about it. it'll show you the limits of your car and what is possible. the best way to learn is first hand.


I agree.....I have been doing some drifting but I notice that I'm not experience enough. When I hit turns at high speeds I tend to lose grip on my front tires and that seems to spin me out of control...any tips..
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Unread 05-22-2007, 11:42 AM   #11
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I agree.....I have been doing some drifting but I notice that I'm not experience enough. When I hit turns at high speeds I tend to lose grip on my front tires and that seems to spin me out of control...any tips..
better tires and it all depends on your suspension set-up...and just remember its not IF you're gonna crash its WHEN
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Unread 05-22-2007, 03:49 PM   #12
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better tires and it all depends on your suspension set-up...and just remember its not IF you're gonna crash its WHEN
I see I see...better tires I'm wondering what kind of tires I shoul dhave in front to give me a better front grip and what tires I should have on the back to lose traction better.

Also I was thinking about geting a subaru sti but I did researches and I still dont know that much about them. Could someone give me more information about them, to see if the sti is worht getting for the price range that its at.

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STI? your kind of all over the place with what you want. I think first you need to decide what you want to do with your car. If you want to drift, then honestly, both a FWD and a STI are a waste of time. Not saying its impossible, but if you are just starting out why hinder yourself so much. The advice earlier of getting a cheap RWD 5spd is probably the best so far. Spend $1,500 and buy a beater that you can learn easily on. You will have to drop more than that just to make it "doable" in your FWD, and you may find you dont like going through tires and replacing wheels and fenders. If you are just learning there is a good chance you will end up doing something that will require you to have a daily driver for awhile anyways...if you get my drift. Get some technique down in the RWD and then decide if you still really want to go FWD. There is something to be said for the guys who do it, but I wouldnt start there.
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I see I really wanted to learn how to drift with a fwd but its so hard....I have been trying and I found out that so far that the car is unstable in the drift. I can't use the weight shift/brake shift because that spins the front wheels into a loss of traction leading me to spin around a few times without any control. The only thing I could do is pull the e brakes but the problem with that is it wears the back tires down as well as the brake dics, and the drift is extremely slow because I'm simply stopping the tires. I tried doing a turn at 60mph and when I pulled the brakes and hit the corner I was already down to 45 mph.....this is a huge problem but I really do want to learn to drift with a fwd..any special techniques I should use..also I was thinking about a fwd rwd conversion.
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I see I really wanted to learn how to drift with a fwd but its so hard....I have been trying and I found out that so far that the car is unstable in the drift. I can't use the weight shift/brake shift because that spins the front wheels into a loss of traction leading me to spin around a few times without any control. The only thing I could do is pull the e brakes but the problem with that is it wears the back tires down as well as the brake dics, and the drift is extremely slow because I'm simply stopping the tires. I tried doing a turn at 60mph and when I pulled the brakes and hit the corner I was already down to 45 mph.....this is a huge problem but I really do want to learn to drift with a fwd..any special techniques I should use..also I was thinking about a fwd rwd conversion.
could watch the drift bible, they demonstrate basic and pro drift techniques but it's all on rwd.
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I see I really wanted to learn how to drift with a fwd but its so hard....I have been trying and I found out that so far that the car is unstable in the drift. I can't use the weight shift/brake shift because that spins the front wheels into a loss of traction leading me to spin around a few times without any control. The only thing I could do is pull the e brakes but the problem with that is it wears the back tires down as well as the brake dics, and the drift is extremely slow because I'm simply stopping the tires. I tried doing a turn at 60mph and when I pulled the brakes and hit the corner I was already down to 45 mph.....this is a huge problem but I really do want to learn to drift with a fwd..any special techniques I should use..also I was thinking about a fwd rwd conversion.
from what i understand, fwd "drifting" requires lots of speed going into a corner, rapidly engaging/disengaging the parking brake (most will modify the lever so it doesn't lock up when pulled), and just plain willingness to pin the throttle to keep speed up.

i would suspect that suspension setup also plays a role here, just as it does with rwd. my guess would be really stiff springs and bar in the rear to make it tail happy, and possibly overinflate your tires somewhat to prevent them rolling over too much onto the sidewalls. i would also guess that lots of negative camber in the front works much the same way it does on rwd.
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..also I was thinking about a fwd rwd conversion.
I understand you want to drift in your eclipse, but why in the world would you want to shell out the money to have that kind of work done on your car? It'll cost you much much more than a cheap RWD car. Like rhscare said, it'll only be around $1,500 for a beater you can learn on. That's nothing compared to what your eclipse will cost you, and it'll probably work a lot better too. You have to make up your mind. Either get a car with RWD, or decide you're willing put the time and money in to learn how to drift with your eclipse.
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dont wanna sound like a dick but you cant realy drift a fwd car there no way to keep the momentum up because your draging the whole rear of the car.
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dont wanna sound like a dick but you cant realy drift a fwd car there no way to keep the momentum up because your draging the whole rear of the car.
You can kinda drift in a FF, but it's more like a powerslide and a lot more difficult to maintain for any length of time. It might not be a 'true drift' compared with what you can do with a RWD car, but it'll look pretty close if you do it right.
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control the suspension and steering through a turn it will slide...does it on a 2001 flagship honda accord...I am telling you slide around a car in the north bound lane cutting through going into the parking lot: trying to bet north bound traffic behind em! yeah of course suspension modification will do but what was done was the basics....control suspension by the captain seat work the fresh steering wheel....no brake what soever!
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